Runboard.com
You're welcome.
HUNA 101 Website





runboard.com       Sign up (learn about it) | Sign in (lost password?)

Page:  1  2 

 
kuatroka Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Registered user

Registered: 04-2009
Posts: 23
Karma: 1 (+1/-0)
Reply | Quote
Moses K. Huna Prayer style


Hi there everyone. Two Bears, I know that you didn't like the Moses K. course and even returned the CDs, but nevertheless, I 'd like to share my experience with his course. The reason is that while doing his way of the Huna Prayer I got absolutely the same physical feeling as when I did the Allan P. Lewis' "Pillar of light" complex dissolving technique described by you in your blog. And this fact stroke me a lot! well, I'll Explain my self.

I'm aware and completely agree that fixations and complexes are very important part of our life and their elimination is even more important! Wheather it's for the energy blockages elemination or simply to live the better life!

So, I started to look at all the possible ways to clear them out. The two techniques that resonated the most with me were the Two Bear's paper burning ritual and the Allan P. Lewis' "Pillar of Light". The paper burning ritual at first gave me the physical creeps, so I felt like it was working, given the fact, that my Low Self reacted that strong to the ritual, so I kept doing it.

The "Pillar of Light", well, the experience was really wierd and bizzare, so, I thought the same..."it works, I don't know what it does, but I does something, because I have a very strong reaction to it".

I prepared myself to do the "Pillar of Light". I lied down on my bed, but my feet were touching the floor. I started to imagine the thin beam of light piercing me and then start turning around itself. Here it began.... I started to imagine this beam of white light growing widewise inside of me and at the same time turning counter clockwise and imagining like if it were searching and destroying any black spots I had. Little by little, this Pillar of Light started to accelerate the speed of turning and I found myself trembling!! First it was my left hand, then all my left arm and as the speed of turning grew, my trembling grew with it!! That felt very strong! I don't know why I was trembling, but I had to stop, not because of the fear, but because I started to feel exhausted!! Really tired. At the higher speed of this turning beam, the higher I felt the vibration through all my body, till the point when almost all my muscles started to tremble (but most of all my left arm) and I started to feel like cramps!

Well, now about Moses K.
His way to do the Huna Prayer is basically to imagine the white light(or any color...) or simply the energy coming down on you from above your head and then you have to higher up the frequency of this energy. You pass through 6 levels of energy:
1/ the energy level itself
2/ the emotional frequency
3/ the mental frequency
4/ the psychic frequency
5/ the Karmic frequency
6/ the Higher Self frquency

As I was picturing it, was to imagine the same energy going down through me but with more power, with more force. It's like the discharge in hydrology. I was just imagining more energy passing throuhg me at a faster and faster speed. I also was imagining this energy to pass through different physical parts of my body in order to distinguish it well. For example, the energetic level itself, I was imagining it flowing to my body as if it was a big glass of bear. The next, the emotional level, I was imagining it passing and filling my solar plexus. the mental frequency was filling an area in my head. The psychic frequency was filling an area a little above my head ....etc.. and when you reach the Karmic level you leave your Prayer Picture there, thus, Aumakua makes everything that is on the Karmic level a reality by passing the energy through this level and all the way down to me.

Well, starting form the emotional frequency my body was experimenting the exact same sensation as when I was doing the Allan P. Lewis' "Pillar of Light"!! I was beginning to tremble! All my body started to vibrate more and more, my muscles started to become more and more tensed! With every level that I was imagining I was passing through, I was becoming more and more tensed and rigid!!

I confess that I feel that Moses K's method resonates with me, because I feel it physically and very strongly! I don't know if it really does something practical or not, but the feeling is very strong, so, I'm going to keep practicing untill I have some sort of result, positive or negative!

The other point in which I agree with Moses K. is that he says that Aumakua has more energy that I can even imagine or handle. Aumakua is always connected directly to the Universe or God or whatever the name is. It has all the energy it needs, thus it doesn't depend on me sending him my mana/energy it doesn't need it!
And I feel it to be true because it's very logical to me. Aumakua is the most perfect of my selves. It has the power to materialize or not my prayers, so, he can do whatever he wants, but being so wise and powerfull it doesn't intefere if I'm not asking him to do so.

I'm still a very noob in Huna, but there has to be some logic in order for me to believe in it. And I like this logic because I just can't imagine that Aumakua, the most perfect part of me needs me to send him mana when he has the direct connection to the Master Creator, God, The universe ...etc...

The point where I see dificulties for me to agree or understand or grasp the Moses K's way is the way he explains the flow of energy and where the Low Self resides. He says that the Low Self resides below the feet (not physically in the body),but just like Aumakua are just above the head - Unihipili lives just below the feet.

For now I find it dificult to imagine it or feel it...
He's only person to teach it this way. I wonder where did he get this idea or may be this is his own one!! I don't know, and that's why I'd like to know more about him. Where did he learn his knowledge? From MFL or from some kahuna?

And just to remember all of you that the main reason of this post was the striking (at least for me) similarity of the sensations that I experienced doing the Allan P. Lewis's "Pillar of Light" and Moses K's way of doing the Huna Prayer.

So if you have any comments, it's be great to hear them.

Cheers to everybody
Jun/9/2009, 8:28 am Link to this post Send Email to kuatroka   Send PM to kuatroka
 
Two Bears Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Head Administrator

Registered: 01-2004
Posts: 729
Karma: 8 (+8/-0)
Reply | Quote
Re: Moses K. Huna Prayer style


quote:

Hi there everyone. Two Bears, I know that you didn't like the Moses K. course and even returned the CDs,



No. I did not buy the CDs. another person bought them, and he sent the CDs to me to review. I reviewed the material and sent him a report and returned the CDs to their rightful owner

quote:

I got absolutely the same physical feeling as when I did the Allan P. Lewis' "Pillar of light" complex dissolving technique described by you in your blog. And this fact stroke me a lot! well, I'll Explain my self.



Calling in the 'aumakua will work at removing complexes and fixations; but this worls gradually and slowly.

quote:

The "Pillar of Light", well, the experience was really wierd and bizzare, so, I thought the same..."it works, I don't know what it does, but I does something, because I have a very strong reaction to it".



What it does is, throw off any evil or negativity, call your 'aumakua into your body, and gradually raises your consciousness

The other point in which I agree with Moses K. is that he says that Aumakua has more energy that I can even imagine or handle.

The 'aumakua DOES have more power than you can imagine, but not more power than your body can hamdle. Very young children have their 'aumakua fully present in their bodies without harmful effects on the body.

As we are taught guilt, shame and other wrong things we begin closing down energetically. Only when we have started shutting down are we unable to cope with the full power of the 'aumakua.

quote:

Universe or God or whatever the name is. It has all the energy it needs, thus it doesn't depend on me sending him my mana/energy it doesn't need it!



That is not true. If the 'aumakua is to work on the physical plane it MUST hace energy from the physical plane. If you want to tun on a lamp it Must have energy it can use via plugging it in or battery.

quote:

energy and where the Low Self resides. He says that the Low Self resides below the feet (not physically in the body),but just like Aumakua are just above the head - Unihipili lives just below the feet.



That is not true. The basic self is in the solar plexus (behind and above the stomach)

Are you aware that human beings have two physical brains?

the first one is inside the skull

The second one is in the solar plexus. Science has found a ganglia of neurons (brain cells) in the solar plexus, and they call this area the ANS Autonomic Nervous System. It is the body's consciousness.

quote:

He's only person to teach it this way. I wonder where did he get this idea or may be this is his own one!! I don't know, and that's why I'd like to know more about him. Where did he learn his knowledge? From MFL or from some kahuna?



I don't know where he got that idea. He may have senced the chakra below our feet that allows us to tap into the energy of the earth, and thought that was the basic self.


---
Aloha. Rev. Two Bears

"I hope you know this violates my warranty"Twiki
Jun/10/2009, 6:04 am Link to this post Send Email to Two Bears   Send PM to Two Bears
 
kuatroka Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Registered user

Registered: 04-2009
Posts: 23
Karma: 1 (+1/-0)
Reply | Quote
Re: Moses K. Huna Prayer style


I wonder if the conclusions I make are the right ones. I took for granted that the fact that I tremble when I do this is the indicator of the correctness of the technique! I don't even know if it's healthy, because it's really dificult to bear this state when my body starts vibrate higher and higher. I think can only bear this condition for about 60 seconds.

When I do the baloon-between-my-hands type of Huna Prayer, I don't feel it so strong, but I definetly can feel some kind of substance between my hands. It comes after about 10 breath cycles and I try to approach my fingers and at some point I can't approach them anymore. Well, physically I could, but I definetly feel the resistance.

So, what do you think I have to focus on when deciding if one or another way of doing it is the right one for me (besides the actual materialization, because it takes a while...)?? Is it the body trembling that I should consider as a sign or is it the feeling of some kind of invisible bubble between my hands?

Now, I have some idea, well, it's more like a feeling. It's definelty not an analyzed and studied theory, it's just a feeling. It's about mana. What I feel when I do the Moses K's way is the following. When I do the first 4 levels of viblration: 1/energetic, 2/ emotinal, 3/ Mental, 4/ Psychic level, my body starts to vibrate at ever higher rate and it's no way relaxing, but it's definelty bearable, but when I mentally higher the level of vibration till the Karmic level and the Higher self level itself - it becomes unbearable very quickly. So, I thought, may be what Unihipili does is to take the low mana and the prayer picture, then it needs to higher up the level of vibration just for the short period of time, the long enough to put the Prayer Picture on the Karmic or the Higher Self level. Basically, it needs only to put it there and then it goes back to it's normal vibrational rate. Thus, both Unihipili and Aumakua see that it is really something I want and desire and not just one of the thousands wishes or daydreamings I have. I think about it this way because it deasn't seems logic to me that Aumakua, with all the power it has, needs the low voltage energy - mana to operate, being it at the ethereal level or on the physical plane. The higher the level of vibration already includes in itself the lower levels of vibration. Simply speaking - Mana-loa already includes Low self mana and Middle self mana-mana.

I remember in "Secret Science behind the Miracles" there is an excerpt about a girl whose personality was changing every 4 years and hypnotitst and mediums were trying to make one of these personalities go away, so finally, it seems like some much more superior in logic mind took over the body while it was hypnotized and crashed all the reasons of the hypnotists and mediums. Then, as the last resort, one hypnotist said that if they can't make one of the personalities go away, they would have her hypnotized all her life, so this superior mind said that it would then take away the life of that body, it would take away the both personalities and would leave them the corpse.

All that made me think that the Aumakua does can operate on the physical plane.

The other idea I had is the fact that my body starts vibrating is due the fact that I have many complexes and fixations and that if I keep practicing, step by step, this trembling will ease down with time. As you see I have many doubts here, but it's really fun to go through all this!

Just for the heck of mere speculation I thought that, since the both Allan P. Lewis's "Pillar of Light" and the Moses K's Huna Prayer way caused the same reactions in me, may be, Moses K was a student of Allan P. Lewis or of his teachings.

Well, I already ordered the Allan P. Lewis's tapes from Huna-Ohana and I expect to see if there are some commonalities in their teachings.

P.D. BTW, TwoBears, very intresting and intriguing story about Allan P. Lewis and Clark Wilkerson! It seems like there were a battle between two best students of a living kahuna. And I'm also glad that MFL was wrong when he stated that in the time he was researching about HUNA, there were no more real living kahunas left!

Thanks and cheers to everyone!
Jun/12/2009, 7:31 am Link to this post Send Email to kuatroka   Send PM to kuatroka
 
Two Bears Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Head Administrator

Registered: 01-2004
Posts: 729
Karma: 8 (+8/-0)
Reply | Quote
Re: Moses K. Huna Prayer style


quote:

I wonder if the conclusions I make are the right ones. I took for granted that the fact that I tremble when I do this is the indicator of the correctness of the technique! I don't even know if it's healthy,



I wish you lived nearby this way I could see what happened.

I have two questions.

1. Have you had injuries or possibly involved in an accident that has damaged your energy pathways?

2. When you feel the trembling are you doing a Ha rite, the pillar of Light meditation.

I ask the second question to determine exactly what you are doing. because I remember reading one of MFL's books that he tried to call his 'aumakua into his body instead of hovering above and behind the head, and when. In the beginning of my practice I used to feel like there was in ocean inside of me and I could feel waves of energy going up and down my body much like waves laping a beach.

If the answer to question #1 is correct you may want to consider having accupuncture to open the blocked or damaged pathways.

Please E-Mail me directly at kahuna_2bears@yahoo.com because I would like to talk to you more on this subject.

quote:

When I do the baloon-between-my-hands type of Huna Prayer, I don't feel it so strong, but I definetly can feel some kind of substance between my hands. It comes after



The hardest thing about doing this is to actually believe that mana, prana, ch'i is real. You might want to think about getting one of those telekinesis trainers. This is a little peice of aluminum balanced on a pin, and your job is to project mana and make the aluminum move.

quote:

consider as a sign or is it the feeling of some kind of invisible bubble between my hands?



It does feel liks an invisible bubble. That is why I use the term of a balloon between my hands and i put the prayer picture on the buibble (like the balloon) then when I am done I separate my hands and allow the balloon to float up to mu 'aumakua.

quote:

it deasn't seems logic to me that Aumakua, with all the power it has, needs the low voltage energy - mana to operate, being it at the ethereal level or on the physical plane. The higher the level of vibration already includes in itself the
lower levels of vibration. Simply speaking - Mana-loa already includes Low self mana and Middle self mana-mana.



Everyone has a right to their opinion and no one can really determine who is right or wrong.

You say that logic determines for you that the 'aumakua does not need energy.

I say that logic tells me the reverse is true for this reason the 'aumakua is non physical and can pass through anything physical, and the higher voltages of mana will also pass through things. I just feel that to move something physical it needs a LOT of energy. so when we provide some of the energy the 'aumakua can take a little energy and ramp it up like a flyback transformer that takes 110 volts and ramps it up to 30,000 volts to drive the CRT in TVs and old computer monitors.

quote:

All that made me think that the Aumakua does can operate on the physical plane.



I remember the account of the girl who changed personalities.

What happened was that the 'aumakua had come fully present in the body and was taking energy from the body.

The 'aumakua takes the thought, and dreams (and yes those have mana and mana mana in them and uses these thoughts and dreams to create the person's future.

The uhane can withhold mana mana from the 'aumakua but the uni will not do that.

quote:

The other idea I had is the fact that my body starts vibrating is due the fact that I have many complexes and fixations and that if I keep practicing, step by step, this trembling will ease down with time. As you see I have many doubts here, but it's really fun to go through all this!



Personally I do not think it is caused ny complexes or fixations. I think it is from energy blocks and stagnant energy in your energy pathways.

quote:

P.D. BTW, TwoBears, very intresting and intriguing story about Allan P. Lewis and Clark Wilkerson! It seems like there were a battle between two best students of a living kahuna.



As I said earlier I do not know if it is true or not. It was only a story I had heard.

The reverse could also be true that Clark Wilkerson left Hawai'i because the kahuna selected Mr. Lewis as his successor

quote:

And I'm also glad that MFL was wrong when he stated that in the time he was researching about HUNA, there were no more real living kahunas left!



That is not what MFL said. He said that he did not know any kahuna's. In one of his books MFL tells of wanting to sell his camera shop and return to the mainland and he went to see a kahuna, and that kahuns told him to prepare everything in written form and what day and time to go see the competitor.

Everyone has the potential to be a kahuna. I was born a kahuna.

When I was 3 I discovered that I had more than the normal 5 sences, and could anchor myself to the ground and make it impossible for scary people to pick me up, By the time I was 8 years old I discovered I had 8 sences instead of the normal 5, and I cound direct energy into a pond and attract the fish to my hook and ignore the hook of peopoe fishing 3 or 4 feet away, and I also learned that I could call up a breeze to fly my kite up high enough where the wind is always blowing.

Yes there are kahunas born everywhere. Some are excelent martial artists like O'sensei, others are healers like Mikao Usui, others are medicine or holy people of the American indians

and more.



---
Aloha. Rev. Two Bears

"I hope you know this violates my warranty"Twiki
Jun/12/2009, 11:22 am Link to this post Send Email to Two Bears   Send PM to Two Bears
 
kuatroka Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Registered user

Registered: 04-2009
Posts: 23
Karma: 1 (+1/-0)
Reply | Quote
Re: Moses K. Huna Prayer style


1. No, i didn't have any major accidents or injuries, the tipical bruises and such, but I don't even got any leg or arm broken..

2. Yes, these experiences I had were during the Moses K's Ha Rite (HUNA Prayer) and the A.P. Lewis's Pillar of Light.

I'll try to explain...
The Moses K's HUNA Prayer/Ha Rite

I ley on my bed with my legs bent and my feet touching the floor. I close my eyes and stat entering "The Silence" , I just start imagining my type of "Garden". I imagine seeing myself on the seashore breathing the Ha breath. As I breathe, first I imagine that there is a light coming on me from abofe my head from the kind of big bright bubble (I imagine this way my H. Self) When imagining this light comming down on me, I imagine it entering my body and staing there. Then after about 4 cycles, I start imagining this light entering my solar plexus (emotional level) and at the same time I imagine this light to start getting more intense, more strong and going into me with more speed! Then, after this I imagine the light entering a point in my head (mental level) and again the speed, the intensity and the strength of this light are getting faster and stronger! Then the same but imagining the light entering a point just above my head (psychic level),(almost touching it). Then, the same but for an area even more above my head (Karmic level). Then even more above (the H. Self itself).

Before I start this process, before laying down, I make a picture of what I want.

Thus, during all the process decribed above, I start upping this picture from level to level! 1º in my body, then I put it in my solar plexus, then in the are in my head, then on a Psychic level...etc..

When I have my picture in my body it's OK. But starting form the emotional level(when my picture in my solar plexus) my body, little by little starts jerking or vibrating. It's not steady vibration. It's more like jerking or little tremblings. The culmination comes at when I imagine the energy entering my being at the H. Self level. At this level, I can't bear it long time, so I quit and finish my prayer.


The same is during the Pillar of Light complex cleansing ritual, but instead of imagining ever growing intensity of the light entering my from above. I imagine this pillar of light growing in wide and turning faster and faster. Also, in the both cases, the whiteness of the light I imagine, is stronger and more intense at the final stages.


Thanks.

Later, I'll write to your personal email, I'm at work and can't access it right now.
Jun/18/2009, 8:23 am Link to this post Send Email to kuatroka   Send PM to kuatroka
 
Two Bears Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Head Administrator

Registered: 01-2004
Posts: 729
Karma: 8 (+8/-0)
Reply | Quote
Re: Moses K. Huna Prayer style


quote:

1. No, i didn't have any major accidents or injuries, the tipical bruises and such, but I don't even got any leg or arm broken..



I was on;y asking because a lot of people who report your experiences have had damage done to their energy pathways. That is why I asked about injuries.



---
Aloha. Rev. Two Bears

"I hope you know this violates my warranty"Twiki
Jun/27/2009, 11:39 am Link to this post Send Email to Two Bears   Send PM to Two Bears
 
kuatroka Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Registered user

Registered: 04-2009
Posts: 23
Karma: 1 (+1/-0)
Reply | Quote
Re: Moses K. Huna Prayer style


Well ,thanks god i don't have any serious injuries, but you got me thinking that may be, I have some energy blocks that are so strong that I can feel them while doing the HUNA Prayer.

Anyway for now I stopped doing Moses K style because it exhausts me too much and I keep doing the globe between hands way. Though, I can't help but feeling that the Moses K's way is a really good one.

Two Bears or anyone, when you listen to the Kahuna Reality Control CDs, did you try his way of doing it. If yes, what were your impressions?
Jul/6/2009, 9:41 am Link to this post Send Email to kuatroka   Send PM to kuatroka
 
Two Bears Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Head Administrator

Registered: 01-2004
Posts: 729
Karma: 8 (+8/-0)
Reply | Quote
Re: Moses K. Huna Prayer style


quote:

Well ,thanks god i don't have any serious injuries, but you got me thinking that may be, I have some energy blocks that are so strong that I can feel them while doing the HUNA Prayer.



There are all kinds of ways to get an energy block.

Being under stress, the mana not flowing smoothly and starting little eddy's where the mana becomes slow and stagnant.

Injuries can also cause energy blocks and these events are the most memorable so that is why I asked you about injuries.

quote:

Two Bears or anyone, when you listen to the Kahuna Reality Control CDs, did you try his way of doing it. If yes, what were your impressions?



A student sent the CDs to me for my opinion. I listened to the CDs. Wrote a report of my findings and sent both the report and the CDs back to the rightful owner.

I tried a few of the things and returned the CDs in 48 hours after I received them.

---
Aloha. Rev. Two Bears

"I hope you know this violates my warranty"Twiki
Jul/13/2009, 7:10 am Link to this post Send Email to Two Bears   Send PM to Two Bears
 
kuatroka Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Registered user

Registered: 04-2009
Posts: 23
Karma: 1 (+1/-0)
Reply | Quote
Re: Moses K. Huna Prayer style


It seems like I'm gonna give up the Moses K way of doing the HA Rite. It wears me off completely!! I don't feel like doing it! Everty time I start thinking about doing it I just find any axcuse to not to do it!!

And at the same time, I ask my unihipili through the pendulum about this way of doing the bHA Rite and it answers me that it's the rightest way!! I'm confused of wheather I'm getting lazy and it's a lack of consistency on my part or it's really not the way of doing it??
Jul/13/2009, 1:57 pm Link to this post Send Email to kuatroka   Send PM to kuatroka
 
Two Bears Profile
Live feed
Blog
Friends
Miscellaneous info

Head Administrator

Registered: 01-2004
Posts: 729
Karma: 8 (+8/-0)
Reply | Quote
Re: Moses K. Huna Prayer style


quote:

It seems like I'm gonna give up the Moses K way of doing the HA Rite. It wears me off completely!! I don't feel like doing it! Everty time I start thinking about doing it I just find any axcuse to not to do it!!

And at the same time, I ask my unihipili through the pendulum about this way of doing the bHA Rite and it answers me that it's the rightest way!! I'm confused of wheather I'm getting lazy and it's a lack of consistency on my part or it's really not the way of doing it??



There is no right or wrong way.

If the technique works use it. If it doesn't work that only means it is the wrong way for you.

It is all a matter of belief and personal preference.

This technology is so simple a five year old could understand it.

1. gather the mana.

2. choose a prayer picture or hold a single intent in your mind (for those who are not visual.

3. send the gathered mana and prayer picture to the higher powers and let go.

As long as you do those three things it doesn't matter the process one takes to accomplish those three things.

---
Aloha. Rev. Two Bears

"I hope you know this violates my warranty"Twiki
Jul/13/2009, 4:01 pm Link to this post Send Email to Two Bears   Send PM to Two Bears
 


Add a reply

Page:  1  2 





You are not logged in (login)