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Hi there, first of, all I want to tell you that I'm new in HUNA and for that matter, in all the meditation thing, so, please, bear with me and my questions. English is not my native language, nevertheless, I'll try to be as clear as possible.

Two Bears, thanks for this board and for your book selection advise. I've already ordered "Fundamentals Of Hawaiian Mysticism", because the rest seems too expensive for me and since I still don't know if this technology is gonna work for me, I'm not going to buy it now. Thanks also for, as it seems to me, so impartial and calm opinions and advises. I like the fact that you don't get that emotional trying to convince people that your system (or the system you learned) is the only true one!

Before I've found your site I bought the Serge Kahili King's book "Mastering your hidden self". On your "Various traditions of HUNA" directory I learned that after reading his “Kahuna Healing” book , you don't support him as an author anymore. Nevertheless, I'm going to ask for your or anyone else's advise on one technique from his book, because of the lack of my knowledge, I think this technique could be generic to any HUNA tradition, so it wouldn't matter. I hope I'm not wrong.

The technique consists in imagining myself inside the beam of light, breathing deeply and slowly, thinking about something good as love, peace or hapinnes. Imagine that all this nice feelings comes through this beam of light or energy, that it concentrates in my solar plexus area and than all this energy expands outside of me by whatever means I can imagine it: like general light going outside, like the expansion waves..etc...
This technique is suppose to gather mana and nice emotions, good feeling, energize myself and spread this good fellings of mine out to the world.

Well, my question is about the way of visualization. I can see myself in the first person. Walking or standing and imagine this light or energy surrounding me, almost like seeing it before my eyes. Or another way is to see me in the third person, I mean, it's like if I were looking at my self from afar, from aside, seeing the figure of myself in this light....

Which way is better? I know the HUNA saying "if it works for you, than it's the best for you". So I tried the both and I can't seem to find which one is better. And in general, I don't know how should I imagine myself in the Garden or in any meditation! Viewing all through my own eyes or look at myself as the third person and imagine seeing me doing stuff??

Thanks for you patience all of you.
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I think you are referring to the Meditation of Light.
Or Pillar of light meditation.

Well personally I cannot think myself floating and sinking and light entering..and all that..

So i visualize myself as another person and do all the above same.

Hope , IF YOU ARE STUCK BETWEEN THE TWO,
you would be happier if you prefer you as a third person.
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Hope this helps!

have fun studying your new book!

All the very best to you!
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Hi everyone!!

Thank you a lot for your input krishnapc. I continued to try these 2 different types of visualizing myself and finally I found that for me, when I see myself in 1st person works better. This way I actually feel sometimes the rush going through me from my head to my feet. Not always, but still I feel it sometimes. On the other handm when I see myself in a 3rd person way, I don't have this feeling. So I figured I'd keep doing it the way I feel more rush.

Now I'm reading "Hawaiian Magic" and it really curious that Clark Wilkerson says that one has to imagine the light coming from above and at the same time, imagine black bubbles being cleaned or destryed by this white light. Well, before actually reding this book, I tried to imagine this beam of white light surrounding me and automatically I saw this kind of black bubbles or pores with black substance being cleansed or destroyed by the light!!

Cheers to all.
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Hi there, first of, all I want to tell you that I'm new in HUNA and for that matter, in all the meditation thing, so, please, bear with me and my questions. English is not my native language, nevertheless, I'll try to be as clear as possible.



Hello and welcome. I am the absentee moderator. 4 1/2 years ago I moved cross country to Ellensburg, Wa. USA, and about 6 months after I moved more than 2,500 miles from home my life became VERY busy and hectic, and I do not have time to devote to the message board as I once did.

First of all the key is to relax and explore who and what you really are. For more than 1,500 years organized religions has been telling us we are puny mortals when we are literally gods walking around in human form.

Second. Relax and don't worry about problems communicating in English. Neither I nor any of the others here should give you any static for your poor english (if you have a problem communicating). If I do not understand something I will just ask you to clarify the point if you can.

As I tell my Qigong students (I have never used a whip and a chair yet, and see no reason yo start now.

I hope that eases your mind and brings a laugh to your day.

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Two Bears, thanks for this board and for your book selection advise. I've already ordered "Fundamentals Of Hawaiian Mysticism", because the rest seems too expensive for me and since I still don't know if this technology is gonna work for me,



I have taught workshops all over the U.S. and Canada (until the screeners at Airports went crazy and started harassing people that had 0% chance of being terrorists.

I have yet to meet ANYONE this technology failed to work for. I have met some people who can not feel mana; but I have never met anyone who could not direct mana.

About the other expensive books; I fully understand who those out ofr print books can be beyond some people's budget. That is why I violated copyright and posted 6 chapters from "Hawaiian Magic" by Clark Wilkerson to my blog. To get to my blog go to my Yahoo 360 page.

http://360.yahoo.com/kahuna_2bears

Once you get to my 360 page click on "view blog" Do NOT click on "YOUR BLOG" that takes you to your blog if you have one. If you do not have a blog you will get an error.

After you get to my blog scroll down to the tags and click on "Hawaiian_magic". I posted the 6 most important chapters, and that was all I thought I might be able to get away with. However is Dei Wilkerson should demand that I erase those chapters I would have to comply or get in a lot of trouble.

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I like the fact that you don't get that emotional trying to convince people that your system (or the system you learned) is the only true one!



If it had not worked for me I would not be wasting my time and lifeforce on it. Before this technology transformed my life I would not have believed it either. So I try to present the information and allow the readers such as yourself to determine if it works or not.

11 years ago a friend in all sincerity suggested I try this; so I read MFL, Madeleine C. Morris, and Scott Cunningham, and all three authors turned me off, and I told my friend "Not only no! But HELL NO!" Then two years later two mystical occurences happened that put me on this path, the second time I read "Fundamentals Of Hawaiian Mysticism" Charlotte Berney, and I bought "Hawaiian Magic" only because Ms. Berney disclosed at the end of her book that her teachers (Jack and Josephine Gray) were advanced students of Clark Wilkerson. "Hawaiian Magic" literally saved my life by restoring my health, and giving me the technology to wade into my subconscious mind and take out the trash (false beliefs, mental complexes, and mental fixations) a brief 6 months after putting this technology into practise I had a calm and relaxed mind, real peace and tranquility, and able to hold a thought in my mind for more than 10 seconds.

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Before I've found your site I bought the Serge Kahili King's book "Mastering your hidden self". On your "Various traditions of HUNA" directory I learned that after reading his “Kahuna Healing” book , you don't support him as an author anymore.



No I don't support Serge Kahili King whatsoever and I will tell you why.

In Kahuna Healing he tells

1. about his father on a caravan in the Sahara desert riding horses. Horses were used in the Sahara until 100 BC then they had to switch to using camels because there simply was not enough water in the desert for horses.

2. a sand storm came up and they took refuge in some damaged buildings and his father saw a hole open in the sand and he climbed down and found an altar and a bracelet showing the solar system with 9 planets.

There are all kinds of things wrong with this.

a. It is suspicious that the hole would open up while he was there, and close up again after he found the bracelet.

b. That part of the world worshiped Ra (the Sun God. What self respecting sun worshiper is going to have a temple under ground?

c. Thieves has stripped the room bare except for the bracelet on the altar.

d. Pluto (the 9th planet was not discovered till 1940 or so.

3. Mr King said that his father has joined a secret organization after finding the bracelet, and that later he himself had become a member of this world wide secret organization.

I have never been accused of being politically correct. I say what I mean and I mean what I say.

As far as I am concerned Mr. King is a liar, and likes to tell tall tales to make himself look impressive.

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Nevertheless, I'm going to ask for your or anyone else's advise on one technique from his book, because of the lack of my knowledge, I think this technique could be generic to any HUNA tradition, so it wouldn't matter. I hope I'm not wrong.



I will help any way I can.

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The technique consists in imagining myself inside the beam of light, breathing deeply and slowly, thinking about something good as love, peace or hapinnes. Imagine that all this nice feelings comes through this beam of light or energy, that it concentrates in my solar plexus area and than all this energy expands outside of me by whatever means I can imagine it: like general light going outside, like the expansion waves..etc...
This technique is suppose to gather mana and nice emotions, good feeling, energize myself and spread this good fellings of mine out to the world.



This sounds like a way to call the 'aumakua into your body. I describe a similar technique on my website and blog called "Pillar of Light"

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Well, my question is about the way of visualization. I can see myself in the first person. Walking or standing and imagine this light or energy surrounding me, almost like seeing it before my eyes. Or another way is to see me in the third person, I mean, it's like if I were looking at my self from afar, from aside, seeing the figure of myself in this light....



You could do this any number of ways.

1. Imagine being in a waterfall (not a waterfall of water but of light) that goes through and over your body.

2. Imagine a small sun over your head shining on and through you. My Pillar Of Light, and Actualism Meditatiom (www.actualism.org, and "The Middle Pillar" from the Kabbalah uses this technique. I do not recommend the Middle Pillar because it tinkers with four of the chakraS. Each chakra is closely linked with glands of the endocrine system. If you muck up your endocrine system you are in a lot of trouble.

3. Some Shamanic systems breathe deeply and imagine their lungs being filled with light, and this light spreads through their entire body.

4. in Buddhism they call this ball of light over their head down through their head and neck into their torso until it gets to the solar plexus then have the ball of light expand through their body and beyond

5. visualize yourself from behind sitting in the downpour of light.

Use whichever method you are comfortable with, and it does not matter which method you use. All of these methods do exactly the same thing (briefly calls your 'aumakua into your body and also raises your consciousness.

36 years ago before I started working with the light by the use of Qigong; people didn't want to have an encounter with me if I was having a good day, and even I didn't like me.

After practicing Qigong for two yesrs I woke up with a eureka! or an aha! moment, and I got it. "Every day I have a choice to affect the world around me in a good way or a bad way, and not affecting the world at all was not an option". So I began making conscious choices to do good instead of evil. In two more years I transformed from the monster that had hurt a lot of people, and had come close to killing several people to a kind caring human being that would not kill a fly.

Qigong helped me wake up; but qigong did not give me the tools to take out the trash and deal with all of the guilt for the things I did early in life.

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Which way is better? I know the HUNA saying "if it works for you, than it's the best for you". So I tried the both and I can't seem to find which one is better. And in general, I don't know how should I imagine myself in the Garden or in any meditation! Viewing all through my own eyes or look at myself as the third person and imagine seeing me doing stuff??



Neither one is better since both do exactly the same thing. Do the one that is easier for you to do, and you are more comfortable with.

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Thanks for you patience all of you.



No problem at all. My pleasure

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Hope , IF YOU ARE STUCK BETWEEN THE TWO,
you would be happier if you prefer you as a third person.



Thank you for stepping up and offering assistance Krishnapc

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Thank you a lot for your input krishnapc. I continued to try these 2 different types of visualizing myself and finally I found that for me, when I see myself in 1st person works better.



Then that is the method you should use.

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This way I actually feel sometimes the rush going through me from my head to my feet. Not always, but still I feel it sometimes.



Great! This feeling of moving energy means it is working, and making subtle changes in your body.

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On the other handm when I see myself in a 3rd person way, I don't have this feeling. So I figured I'd keep doing it the way I feel more rush.



This is definitely the method you should use.

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Now I'm reading "Hawaiian Magic" and it really curious that Clark Wilkerson says that one has to imagine the light coming from above and at the same time, imagine black bubbles being cleaned or destryed by this white light. Well, before actually reding this book, I tried to imagine this beam of white light surrounding me and automatically I saw this kind of black bubbles or pores with black substance being cleansed or destroyed by the light!!



This is great news. It sounds as if you are becoming clairvoyant, and this technology works for you.

A lot of people have all kinds of wrong ideas about the brain. They think the memories are stored in the brain but their not. The brain is like the CPU of a computer.

Modern CPUs are so fast now that they have internal casches (temporary place to store data until the RAM and hard drive can catch up and store the data in a more permanent area such as RAM or the hard drive.

The brain is like a CPU with a cache for short term memories.

Also people have two physical brains. One is in the skull. The other is in the solar plexus (located above and behind the stomach)

I know this sounds weird and strange but it's true. I would recommend for you to do a keyword search on yahoo or Google. This second brain in the body is called the Autonomic Nervous System. and this collection of Neurons (brain cells) receives oxygen and energy via the celiac artery. This second brain would be comparable to the RAM chips in a computer for temporary storage.

The long term memories are saved in the cells of your body, so your body is like a hard drive with all of your memories.

Many people who have had organ transplants have obtained memories of their donor, and have also had cravings their donor had. One elderly lady who received a heart and lungs transplant from a donor actually remembered the donors name, and had cravings for pizza and cold beer of her young donor who was killed in a motorcycle accident.

In an earlier message you said that your native language was not english. Your English is fine. so relax.

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Hello everybody. I'm very pleased that there are more answers to this question. Wierdly, I havn't been noticed about more responses through my email, I'll have to ckeck out why.

Two bears, thank you for your inputs. This ritual I described and that I keep doing now, suppose to attract to me what I'm thinking about and what I'm spreading out outside of me.

Basically, my first goal is pretty selfish and simple, but even though, it doesn't break the rule "harm nothing with hatred" and after reading Clark Wilkerson's book, my thinking about guilt and sins are under some serious consideration now. So, I thought to check and use this technology to get what I really want and not diguise nor deny my real wishes. Basically, my wish is that some people I know would feel attracted to me. Thus, when I do this ritual (while walking from metro station to my job) I imagine that I'm inside of a beam of light or energy that represent attraction, love, affection and fun. Then, I imagine all this passing through me and later concentrating in a ball of energy at the level of my solar plexus and then I imagine the face or the body of one of these persons and imagine generating the new beam going out of my solar plexus and entering theirs...

The curious thing is that if i concentrate long enough on one person and do not jump from one to another, I start to see smiles or even feel sincere laughing of them! it makes me feel really good and I even start to think that in that precise moment there is some kind of connection between us. Of course, it could be just my imagination or simple desire for it to be true.

Nevertheless, when I hold the same idea of being attraction, love and fun, but do it without imagining certain people and with no focused beam, but kind of a general explosion that goes in all direction out of me, I feel really energized!! And I myself start smiling and almost laughing!! people on the street look at me all puzzled and I just can't help it emoticon and continue smiling.

There is really no question in what I'm telling you here, I just wanted to share my experience. Well, may be, the only thing that bothers me a little is the idea that I still feel it like a selfish goal and that I, may be, wouldn't have to use this technology to attain these kinds of purposes...

I also try and I'm very interested in getting rid of my fixations and complexes, but I somehow feel the fear to start whatever exercise exists. I don't really understand why do I have this hesitation and why I try all the time to postpone it, but I'm sure I'll do it!

Thanks again Two Bears and krishnapc.
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Two bears, thank you for your inputs. This ritual I described and that I keep doing now, suppose to attract to me what I'm thinking about and what I'm spreading out outside of me.



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Basically, my first goal is pretty selfish and simple, but even though, it doesn't break the rule "harm nothing with hatred" and after reading Clark Wilkerson's book, my thinking about guilt and sins are under some serious consideration now. So, I thought to check and use this technology to get what I really want and not diguise nor deny my real wishes. Basically, my wish is that some people I know would feel attracted to me. Thus, when I do this ritual (while walking from metro station to my job) I imagine that I'm inside of a beam of light or energy that represent attraction, love, affection and fun. Then, I imagine all this passing through me and later concentrating in a ball of energy at the level of my solar plexus and then I imagine the face or the body of one of these persons and imagine generating the new beam going out of my solar plexus and entering theirs...



     Kuatroka you should not visualize a specific person. That person may not be on your best lifepath. Just visualize you in a happy relationship with someone, and if you can try to experience that happiness in your body. This way when someone is attracted to you there is a much higher probability that the person is right for your lifepath.

I can tell you teo things from personal experience about getting off of your lifepath.

1. You have the ability to move from the right lifepath to the one of many WRONG lifepaths.

2. When you get on the WRONG lifepath everything seems to take 10 times as much work, and is no fun at all.

It took an OBE 13 years ago to wake me up and get me back on the right lifepath.

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that bothers me a little is the idea that I still feel it like a selfish goal and that I, may be, wouldn't have to use this technology to attain these kinds of purposes...



I dont think it is selfish to want to be healthy, happy, and whole?

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I also try and I'm very interested in getting rid of my fixations and complexes, but I somehow feel the fear to start whatever exercise exists. I don't really understand why do I have this hesitation and why I try all the time to postpone it, but I'm sure I'll do it!



This one is extremely simple. The basic self is a creature of habit, and finds change frightening.

I had been meditating for years, and a few years ago I changed from a guided meditation I had used for years to another meditation, and my uni really kicked up a fuss so I bribed my uni "If you let me peacefully do this new meditation for 15 minutes I will give you a treat of a chocolate bar. I meditated for the prescribed 15 minutes than I gave myself the promised treat.

The uni has the consciousness of about a 5 year old child, and one of the best way to get a five year old's attention is through their stomach.




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Well, I understand you, but I confess it's dificult to see the life and the goal of happiness in so big picture. It's dificult (for me at least) not to attach the idea of happiness to a particular person. That's why I visualize them.

On the other hand you say to visualize myself "...in a happy relationship with someone..."
i can't seem to see me in a happy relationship without picturing the person's face... I do can see myself just happy without anybody, but being in happy relationship.......well, different faces start to appear...


About fixations and beliefs: When I speak to my unihipili through the pendulum, I ask him if he wants to get rid of the complexes and fixations and he says a big sound YES!! and later I try to escape this task. So i thought that may be it's not my unihipili that doesn't want to do it, but my uhane...

Anyway, I'll try to bribe it with some fruits emoticon

P.S. I tried your way of getting rid of complexes by burning the paper with the name of the complex written on it with ugly letters. It actually gave me the creeeps while doing it. I threw it out the window and when I was in my bed, I kept getting the picture of it crowling up the wall and getting to my bed!!! I don't remember how, but i actually got to take this picture out of my mind. I thought that if I had such a strong emotion doing, it means that it really means something...

Cheers and thanks...
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Well, I understand you, but I confess it's dificult to see the life and the goal of happiness in so big picture. It's dificult (for me at least) not to attach the idea of happiness to a particular person. That's why I visualize them.



There are several ways to approach this without putting a specific face on the prayer picture.

Visuaize a picture of yourself with a big smile on your face with your significant other has your arm but you just see yourself and their arm.

Visualize yourself happy but picture a wedding ring on your finger.

Visualize you going home to your children.

As I said there are all kinds of ways to take this without using a specific face.

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About fixations and beliefs: When I speak to my unihipili through the pendulum, I ask him if he wants to get rid of the complexes and fixations and he says a big sound YES!! and later I try to escape this task. So i thought that may be it's not my unihipili that doesn't want to do it, but my uhane...



I think the problem is in the uni. The uni is a creature of habit and does NOT like change. It may agree to change but when you start; it gets scared and backs off,

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P.S. I tried your way of getting rid of complexes by burning the paper with the name of the complex written on it with ugly letters. It actually gave me the creeeps while doing it. I threw it out the window and when I was in my bed, I kept getting the picture of it crowling up the wall and getting to my bed!!! I don't remember how, but i actually got to take this picture out of my mind. I thought that if I had such a strong emotion doing, it means that it really means something...



I'm sorry the imagery disturbed you. You could do the same thing as the little ritual I developed. put the complex or fixation you are working on into a rock as you put the complex or fixation into the paper, but toss the rock into a river or small stream, Then visualize the flowing water carrying the complex or fixations to the sea where the salt water destroys the complex or fixation




Cheers and thanks...





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