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Two Bears, you're nowhere like some other so-called Huna 'experts' on the net in that many are simply out there to make bucks



No I'm not. Many of them spread HUNA for a livlihood. I give HUNA workshops time to time; but I have a day job to pay the bills.

To say "HUNA changed my life!" would be an understatement. HUNA literally gave my life back to me, and I wrote the material for the website to share this spiritual technology with anyone who was also seeking for answers.

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I'm very glad I ran into someone whom I can really ask questions on the subject without having to constantly think about whether I should order one of his expensive courses or not. You know how things are.



You may ask me any questions you like; and I will be glad to help you any way I can. You may have to wait a few days for a reply; but I will help whenever I can.

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You know, there are a handful of places that I had originally considered studying Huna but, I thought that what some of these people wanted $$$ was way out of my budget range so I became discouraged



Tommy: This spiritual techology should be available to ANYONE who wants to learn it.

Anyone in the U.S. can check "Fundamentals Of Hawaiian Mysticism" by Charlotte Berney out of a library (or buy a copy), then freely access my website via their computer or a computer at a computer cafe, Kinko's, public library, etc free of charge or at a very nominal fee.


I feel that Huna has turned his life totally around.



It certainly did! but I had to spend several thosand dollars to aquire the information I have gained. Several books in the bibliography cost me $100 each, and a few of them quite a bit more than that.

Many people have neither the time or the money to aquire and read all of those books, then distill HUNA down to it's bare essence (as I believe I have done)

I am NOT trying to set myself up as the big kahuna. I am only offering readers a simple place to start; then the readers can expand on their knowledge as they see fit.

I would recommend at a bare minimum for readers to use this website as a supplement to "Fundamentals Of Hawaiian Mysticism" by Charlotte Berney; because this website was written as a supplement to the book to cover weak aspects of the book by Charlotte Berney.

1. Clearing complexes

2. Clearing fixations

3. psychic protection.

and a few other weak areas in the book

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Check it out, it works!



To borrow a quote from the detective series "Hunter" the primary character says "It works for me."

HUNA works for me, and I offer this website to the world to test, and each person who tries this spiritual technology gets to be the judge, jury and prosecutor on the case "Does HUNA really work?"

If HUNA does not work; why are you wasting your time and lifeforce with it?

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I have been following the teachings of Tibetan Buddhism for over 10 years now, and am a scholar of sorts in comparative religion, but for some reason, I only recently heard about Huna.



I have another good friend Michael who is a Tibetan Buddhist, and I taught HUNA to last year.

I have also explored many of the world's religions (both East and West) in a search for meaning, and answers to my spiritual questions.

At present; my sprotuality is Native American spirituality; but I pray Hawai'ian (because the pre-Christian Hawai'ians had effective prayer down to a methodical step by step science.

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If I had to model myself after those 'masters', I can do without Huna. I feel much more at home here.



You will not get that here.

If HUNA works for you; I wish you well.

If HUNA works for you and you want to further your research into the field; I wish you well.

If HUNA does not work for you, and you want to think we have lost touch with reality; I wish you well.

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Did the complexes/fixation practice for the first time this afternoon. Will tell you whether it worked.



I would love to hear your success.

Now remember; your unihipili has been building those walls for most of your life, and your sub conscious mind is intimidated by sudden chance. For a while; your unihipili may try to pull you back into building the complex or fixation again. So when you catch yourself thinking along the lines of the old complex or fixation; stop dwelling on the thought, and do a Ha rite, and gift it to your unihipili in the solar plexus, and gently remind it that the complex or fixation was destroyed in the fire.

It does take some time to change the way you think consciously and sub consciously; so please be patient with your frightened unihipili.

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  Thanks, two bears. I too am a believer of the fact that any spiritual teaching should be freely availbale for all those in need of it. If not, how can it be called 'spiritual' in the first place?? At any rate, you're doing something very admirable here.
  I did the complexes and fixations exercise again for about 20 minutes today. I concentrated on my breathing for like 4 to 5 minutes per problem, visualized the black smoke coming out through my palms. Then burned the paper later on. I'm going to persevere with this practice at least for a month or so. One question is; Is it better to focus specifically on one particular negative talk going on in the subconscious (you know the kind that goes on like a broken record) OR one generalized negative mental state such as guilt, fear etc?
   You also mentioned that controlling others' thoughts against their will is karmically unwholesome. I agree with you on that one all the way. But, isn't there a way to increase your charisma and attractiveness in a positive way? By positive way, I mean, you can become attractive and charismatic without necessarily having ulterior motives or evil intentions such as manipulating others. DOn't you think?
   Even in Tibetan Buddhism, they recognize the magnetising force in the form of a goddess called Kurukula (sp?). There is a practice that is directly related to actualizing the force within the practitioner. I don't think anything is essentially good or bad in and of itself. I believe the intention behind the action decides whether it's good or evil.
   Well, 'nuff said. My question is, is there a way to wholesomely increase your personal magnetism in Huna?
   Cheers.

Max
   

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Max: I am going to point out sections of his course that in my opinion violate the spiritual laws.

> *How to control other people’s thoughts

If you violate their free will; you are breaking the spiritual laws, and will earn negative karma.

> *How to seduce anyone automatically

If you violate their free will; you are breaking the spiritual laws, and will earn negative karma.

> *How to increase your charisma to unheard of levels

There is nothing wrong with having a strong charisma. If you violate their free will; you are breaking the spiritual laws, and will earn negative karma.

> *How to have all the money you need

I never met a person who had peace of mind and covered with debts; but if you violate their free will; you will earn negative karma.

> *How to prevent others from taking what you want for yourself

Isn't this implying an intention to violate their free will?

> *How to make others truly love you

with the word "make' doesn't this imply influenceing their free will?

> *How to make sure all your actions are
> ethical

Excuse; me; but how can he teach you to always be ethical; when most of his sections recommenf violating others free will?

> *How to prevent or punish wrongdoing

This is a double edged sword.

If you prevent the wrong doer. you are violating their free will. breaking the spiritual laws.

If you punish the wrong doer. you are violating their free will. breaking the spiritual laws.

> *How to use hypnosis on yourself

You are the only person you have the right to affect their free will.

> *How to use hypnosis on others better than
> a master hypnotist

If it is of their free will there is nothing wrong. If you violates their free will; there you are on the short end of karma again.

> *How to become an expert at anchoring

I am not sure what he means here; so I will reserve comment.

> *How to have godlike levels of confidence!

Over confidence is not always a good thing.

> *How to allow your unconscious to project
> your aura of confidence on its own
> constantly without you having to do
> anything!

This is possible; and there is nothing wrong with changing yourself of your own free will.

> *How to make yourself invisible by
> retracting your aura of confidence when you
> want to be left alone,
 
there is no spiritual laws affecting you changing yourself of your own free will.

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Can we really learn how to make this happen OR is it simply an exaggerated claims for marketing purposes?



That and a lot more can be done easily.

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BTW, how was the huna course by HRI?
 Thanks



I had one problem with the HRI HUNA course. HRI takes the writings of MFL as accurate when I know there are several errors in it.

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Thanks, two bears. I too am a believer of the fact that any spiritual teaching should be freely availbale for all those in need of it.



Max: I agree completely.

I have felt that way for several years. a few years ago; the Reiki alliance were charging $10,000 to pass the Master/Teacher level of Usui Shiki Ryoho Reiki.

and I freely offered to pass attunements for people whether they had money or not. In fact I did not charge for attunements or the knowledge. I only charged to reimburse my expenses of certificates if they wanted them.

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At any rate, you're doing something very admirable here.



I am not so sure about that. I am just a human being who is doing the best I can one day at a time.

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I did the complexes and fixations exercise again for about 20 minutes today. I concentrated on my breathing for like 4 to 5 minutes per problem,



Great! Let me know how things goes.

Just remember to be patient with your unihipili; sudden changes can be scary.

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Is it better to focus specifically on one particular negative talk going on in the subconscious (you know the kind that goes on like a broken record) OR one generalized negative mental state such as guilt, fear etc?



Yes; it is better to work on one complex or fixation at a time.

You do not need to try to accomplish this; all in one weekend. You have the rest of your life to clear the complexes and fixations as you become aware of them.

Let me tell you one little thing "Rome was not built in a day; but it burned in one night" You have the rest of your life to work on yourself without causing your little unihipili to go into meltdown.

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You also mentioned that controlling others' thoughts against their will is karmically unwholesome. I agree with you on that one all the way.



I am glad you understand the spiritual laws.

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But, isn't there a way to increase your charisma and attractiveness in a positive way? By positive way, I mean, you can become attractive and charismatic without necessarily having ulterior motives or evil intentions such as manipulating others. DOn't you think?



Of course you can enhance your charisma without violating their free will; but Moses K did not seem to recommend any of them; he kept saying things like "Make them fall in love with you", "Make them do this, and Make them do that., etc.

A person who obeys the spiritual laws does not make anyone do anything. They do things because THEY had the free will to choose to be with you.

The only person that I make do anything is me, and that is to make me obey the spiritual laws so I do not earn negative karma.

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I don't think anything is essentially good or bad in and of itself. I believe the intention behind the action decides whether it's good or evil.



You are absolutely correct. this energy is neither good oe evil. It simply exists like the oxygen we breath, the water we drink, and the aina (land) we stand on.

Mana only becomes good or evil with your intentions on how you apply it.

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Well, 'nuff said. My question is, is there a way to wholesomely increase your personal magnetism in Huna?



Of course! Use this spiritual technology (and the spiritual laws) to become the best human being you can become; and others will hang around with you because they like and appreciate you, and want to be with you.

The WRONG way is to violate the spiritual laws and try toviolate their free will to run in the other direction.

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Max; Please send me an E-Mail to [email protected] so we can discuss more of this in private.

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Max: I am going to point out sections of his course that in my opinion violate the spiritual laws.

> *How to control other people’s thoughts

If you violate their free will; you are breaking the spiritual laws, and will earn negative karma.

> *How to seduce anyone automatically

If you violate their free will; you are breaking the spiritual laws, and will earn negative karma.

> *How to increase your charisma to unheard of levels

There is nothing wrong with having a strong charisma. If you violate their free will; you are breaking the spiritual laws, and will earn negative karma.

> *How to have all the money you need

I never met a person who had peace of mind and covered with debts; but if you violate their free will; you will earn negative karma.

etc

Thank you! As I read over that list from Moses K I got a really bad feeling, but could not say why. All I knew was, if 2B agrees these are good goals, I'm outta here! Thanks for these explanatoins as to why these goals left such a nasty taste in my mouth.
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Using Huna to control other people's thoughts, seduce them etc? Wow, that sounds scary, and unfortunately very familiar too. emoticon

Before I learned of Huna I worked with a shaman/witch/so-called 'healer' for a few years. This person was adept at psychic control measures and I was very naive. By the end of my tenure with him I was the sickest I'd ever been in my life - physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually, socially and yes even financially. It took a whole year of (unpaid) sick leave, a couple years of continuous concentrated effort using various spiritual/psychological/metaphysical techniques and exercises, and finally learning and practicing HUNA to undo all the damage I'd unwittingly allowed to be done to myself. It was a quite the painful lesson, but I learned it!

In fact, it was Two Bears, a whole two years later who finally removed the last of the painful, exhausting "implants" my shaman 'buddy' had bequeathed me with (as an ongoing control measure). Not only was the long-standing pain and most of the fear finally gone, but Two Bears then taught me how to strengthen my aura using HUNA techniques, crystals etc. Today, I can quite easily deflect /transmute any such attacks.

I still practice those methods regularly. I get better at it all the time - and I'm so glad I was introduced to HUNA by you, Two Bears. Otherwise, like joni said above, I'd be outta here faster than you could say Holy KaHUNAballah!!! emoticon

Aloha nui loa,

daylia



PS Having given Two Bears and HUNA their due above, I just can't seem to post this without acknowledging and thanking the following Spiritual Beings for Their unprecedented (at least in my experience!), ultra-loving, life-changing and truly miraculous assistance and protection during those absolutely horrible few years of my life. So, at the risk of attracting the men in the white coats with the big nets, Mahalo nui loa and Aloha nui loa to the following ... I very literally owe Them my life and limb!

1. Jesus, the most wonderful Friend, Teacher and Healer of all;

2. the Goddess, in Her 'guises' of the Graces, and of Jeanne d'Arc;

3. the mighty Archangel Michael and His Angelic cohort;

4. One of my own dearly departed relatives in the realms of the Po'e Aumakua (now that Two Bears has taught me who he is, so he doesn't scare me to death anymore);

5. My own 'Aumakua of course (even though I didn't even know 'It' existed back then!)

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Using Huna to control other people's thoughts, seduce them etc? Wow, that sounds scary, and unfortunately very familiar too. emoticon



Daylia: Thank you for the courage to post part of your story.

It's a shame that some HUNA teachers do not follow the spiritual rules, and invite negative karma in their lives much the same way I replied to Max earlier.

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I am new on the board but not new to great resources and advice provided by Two Bears - thank you!

Would like to comment on a thing or two:

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I too am a believer of the fact that any spiritual teaching should be freely availbale for all those in need of it.


Nothing in the world is free. Everything costs something, like time, money, effort, karma, you name it. Many of the spiritual teachings are available for free (money-wise) and many for money. What's wrong with it? What are you doing for a job, will you like to do that same thing for me for free over few next weekends?

If being charged money is your fixation or complex, make sure you get rid of it! It is one of the more important ones to free yourself from.

I'm finding the course (and others) expensive, too. But I don't mind being charged money.

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Max: I am going to point out sections of his course that in my opinion violate the spiritual laws.


Two Bears, you didn't point out sections of his course. You only pointed out sections of his ad copy. It was written by someone else. As far as I could see, Moses is more in line with spiritual laws and against using so called dark side technologies, than many other people in the field.

As for controling other people's thoughts. One can do so without violating their free will. The violation of free will in the course of Moses K. is just a mindread on your side, Two Bears. Although I understood it "in case violation of free will occurs" it might have sounded to many like "violation of free will occurs in the methods given in the course" so I thought I will put it into the right perspective.

In all respect,
Tom

PS.
I don't have Moses K's course, either, but it's on my watch list. In fact, searching for it I found this place as one of the very few or perhaps the only one that discusses it on the internet (though I have visited this board before, too).

I too would love to hear from anyone that has the course, and already knows a bit of Huna. In fact, I even subscribed to his group and also founded a special review site of Huna products as I became a bit angry at the fact the many Huna courses I have seen have nice ads, but no exact content given in the ads, nor the authors bothering to tell. The only reliable independent resource for reviews I have seen so far is Two Bears, too pitty he only covers the books.

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