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Hi all, I am new to this board. I'd like to know if anyone is familiar with Ho'oponopono taught by Morrnah Simeona, who is apparently a well-regarded Kahuna Lapa'au. I found out about this approach via the following article:

World's Most Unusual Therapist

I'd be very appreciative if anyone had any feedback to offer on this, or if they don't know about it are perhaps willing to look into it a bit and then give some feedback...

Thanks very much!

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Hi all, I am new to this board. I'd like to know if anyone is familiar with Ho'oponopono taught by Morrnah Simeona, who is apparently a well-regarded Kahuna Lapa'au. I found out about this approach via the following article:



I regret to inform you but this story is a work of fiction.

Ho'oponopono IS a real skill; but it is used for conflict resolution between family members.

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Oh! Well would you please tell me how you know it is fiction? There is a whole organization around it and they are giving classes in their technique.

Thank you,
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Oh! Well would you please tell me how you know it is fiction? There is a whole organization around it and they are giving classes in their technique.



Jeanne:

I know it is fiction because I have spent several years, and several thousand dollars on four huna courses, and lots of rare and expensive books, that taught me the spiritual technology known as huna, and assorted books about the culture and the legends of the hawai'ian islands.

If I am going to teach this system in assorted workshops around the US, and Canada, and online to people I will probably never meet; the onus is on ME to make sure what I teach is real.

Just because someone does something, and calls it ho'oponopono does NOT mean that.

a. it works.
b. that it is the real ho'oponopono.

The ONLY way something like that work of fiction could occur is for the healed person to change the way s/he thinks consciously and subconsciously.

Speaking from first hand experience (changing the way *I* think consciously and subconsciously) I can say from first hand experience "IT IS A LOT OF WORK", and can not be done as easily as the letter claimed to be.

The letter claims that the healer took all of the responsibility on himself, and put NONE of it on the patient.

The patient will NOT change UNTIL he/she takes responsibility and does the work to change.

When a person spends time on the psycologist or psychiatrists couch in talk therapy; the person IS working to change the way s/he thinks consciously and subconsciously.

Look at the way the young carpenter healed in the bible. he NEVER claimed to heal anyone. He always said (paraphrased)"your faith has healed you" or "don't thank me for healing you; but thank the father that works through me"

There is a joke "How many psychiatrists does it take to change a light bulb. ONE; but the light bulb has to want to change.

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Dear Two Bears,

Thank you very much for your response.

I've tried out a lot of new agey approaches in my lifetime. However, about a year ago I had pretty much given that stuff up in favor of Advaita Vedanta and Zen. Still, I try to keep an open mind. And when a friend blogged the article on Ho'oponopono I mentioned to you, I was reminded of the many experiences I've had with the healing power of love, and I so wanted to believe in the truth of the article. Actually I still want to believe!

The thing is, I contacted Hawaii State Hospital today and they have no record of Dr. Hew Len working there between 1983 and 1987! Now the woman I spoke with did say that he could have worked there as a volunteer or chaplain, in which case there would be no record of him. Still, she concurred with you that the only form of Ho'oponopono she knew of was the group participation variety.

I definitely have my doubts as to whether this version of Ho'oponopono can really accomplish all that it claims, especially now that I've communicated with you and Hawaii State Hospital.

Thank you again for your help. emoticon

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Aloha Jeanne

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Thank you very much for your response.



You're quite welcome.

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I've tried out a lot of new agey approaches in my lifetime.



I think we ALL have tried a lot of new agey techniques. One of my earlier taglines was "I have received the title "master" eight times and STILL working on self mastery.

Over the years I have studied and or practised Actualism Meditation, Applied Kinesiology, Binaural tapes, Creative Visualization, Eckankar, Feng Shui, huna, MAP (Medical Assistance Program) where you work with members of the Great White Brotherhood (Amita, Buddha, Jesus, St. Germain, etc), Three forms of Qigong (Ba Duan Jin, Nei Dan, and Zhan Zhuang),The Reconnection, five forms of Reiki (Karuna, Magnussa Phoenix, Tibetan, Usui Shiki, and Usui Shiki Ryoho), Seichim, Seventh Facet Seichim, Silva Mind Control, Wicca, Zen, and much much more.

I am telling you all of this so you would understand why I repeatedly say "put this technology to work in your life, and you prove to yourself whether this system works or doesn't".

I can say this technology literally saved my life; but I had reached rock bottom, and I was sick and tired of being sick and tired. I was ready to do ANY amount of work to erase the negative programs in my subconscious mind that kept going around in circles 24/7.

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However, about a year ago I had pretty much given that stuff up in favor of Advaita Vedanta and Zen. Still,



Would you E-Mail me directly about Avaita Vedanta? My E-Mail address is kahuna_2bears@yahoo.com.

Which form of Zen did you practise? There are several different schools. I studied primarily the Rinzai and Soto shhools of Zen.

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I try to keep an open mind.



You should keep an open mind because there is a LOT of wisdom in assorted techniques and methods. If and when I find anything that works better than this spiritual technology; I will drop it for the better system. I have not found a better system yet.

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with the healing power of love, and I so wanted to believe in the truth of the article. Actually I still want to believe!



You are quite correct about the healing benenefits in the power of love.

I would also like to believe the story; but there is just no record of Ho'oponopono being used without the interaction of the sick person, and I have never heard of a healing method that worked this way.

Since you asked for my opinion, you deserved to know my real opinion.

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The thing is, I contacted Hawaii State Hospital today and they have no record of Dr. Hew Len working there between 1983 and 1987! Now the woman I spoke with did say that he could have worked there as a volunteer or chaplain, in which case there would be no record of him. Still, she



That puts this story to rest then because I doubt the hospital would permit a volunteer to have access to patient records.

There are only two other routes to go to confirm or reject the story.

1. ask if there was an inordinate amount of healings in that time frame. There would be recorde of people recovering and being released.

2. Contact the state of Hawai'i government and see if the man was an ordained minister and could have served there as a chaplain.

I have enought certificates and officialdom to paper the East wall of my living room, and I have been ordained by two different groups, and I am having trouble getting my foot in the door of the local hospital to serve as a volunteer chaplain.

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I definitely have my doubts as to whether this version of Ho'oponopono can really accomplish all that it claims, especially now that I've communicated with you and Hawaii State Hospital.



If it can do that; I am deffinately interested; but I will say it is not the ho'oponopono as practised in pre-christian hawai'i.

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Thank you again for your help. emoticon



You are quite welcome.

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The therapist: Ihekiwela Len (dr. Len)

Main webpage: http://www.hooponopono.org/
Method of healing:
He claims that he can cure any disease by thinking of the sick person and saying "i love you" and "I sorry" over and over again.

(...)


Famous fans that add credibility:
Joe Vitale www.mrfire.com
Joe Vitale is a highly respectable marketing specialist. Most people regard him as one of the most sucessull people in the world. Definitly he's famous:

Main book: "Attractor factor"
http://www.amazon.com/Attractor-Factor-Creating-Wealth-Anything/dp/0470009802/sr=8-1/qid=1165699140/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-3788666-1869503?ie=UTF8&s=books

he's a fan of DR Len. He actually made a program now with him buty based on his teachings "Beyond manifestation".



I actually own this course So I can easilly sumarize 100% of what he teaches:



Attractor factor steps:

1 Know what you don't want
2 Know what you want
3 Get clear - You should aligng you conscious and subconscious mind to work on the same goal. You can use any proces you like for example hypnosis huna etc.
4 Nevilize your goal - Basically he states to feel as if you have what you want. The theory is the law of attraction theory (it's also mentioned in kahili kings book "mastering your hidden self". Basically the law of attraction states that you attract in to your life on what you focus on. )
5 Let go. Acording to him you have to want your goal but not need it. A similar philosophy is proponed by the new age therapy method called the sedona method www.sedona.com
(Hehe this method is so simple (even though they chare 200$ for it ) (Basically you think about something that ewokes an emotional response. In this case joe wants you to let go of wanting/needing your goal. So you just ask yoursef:

Can I welcome this feeling?
Would I welcome this feeling?
When?

Then you ask yourself:

Could I let this feeling go?
Would I let this feeling go?
When?

That's it I saved you 200$)


Ok In the "beyond manifestation thing" Joe explain 7 principles:
1 you do not have a clue what's going on - It's basically a statement that we are limited beings yada yada yada
2 You can't control everything
3 You're totally responsible for everything - Here this guy goas to Len and says that it's really true and that the same principle (The main theory is that something is bad because we feel bad about it...). So basically if something is bad you have to heal it.
4 You can heal whatever comes in to your way with some healing methods. You feel bad about something? Heal it...
5 You can attract things in to your life by playfully pretending as if you have it.
6 Your desire might come from your unconscious (unihipili) or your higher self. So act on both
7 The now is all there is so you have to be greatful for everything that is in this moment. Remember those words " I chose to feel good now " Basically he asks you to feel good all the time.


Here's the process:

1 Do you feel good?
If yes good
If not it's bad and you have to make yourself feel good
2 Now feel as if you have something you want.
3 Now act on every inspiration that comes to the divine.


This course also says that the most productive actions are actions by inspiration hunches etc.


Oh yeah oh yeah I forgot he also teaches a "super meditation method"

Now take a breath on the count of 7. Then hold it for the count of 7. And then exhale on the count of seven and then at the end of the exhalation hold your breath to the count of seven. (He claims that it will give you a super feeling of bliss. i've tried it and i felt sick after one repetition.)
Do it 9 times (acording to him) (Maybe I would get bliss if I did it nine times?)

That's it I summarized 100% of the "beyond manifestation seminar)
http://www.beyondmanifestation.com/



Basically this whole course is based on Lens teachings at least it claims to. The strange thing is in no way is there are trace of the hawaian language in it. (Unihipili etc.) Or any of the huna concepts (mana etc.)



For me this guy looks asian...(dr len)
http://mrfire.blogspot.com/2005/11/living-bliss-or-my-awakening-at-hands.html


Oh yeah and you might have heard about joe vitale, because he was on the "larry king show" I personally don't live in america, (Poland) but I've got a recorded version of those episodes from a friend.


I thought Joe Vitale is well known. He adversitses himself (at least in my country") as "A guy whose books sold more copies than harry potter"
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I'm sorry but Joe Vitale doesn't ad any credibility to me.

He is great marketer. To me he would ad credibility if he recommended a good marketing book, but that still I would have to take with a pinch of salt, thinking whether it's a real recommendation or just a sales copy.

Anyway, as you said, he is great marketere, and I wish i could learn from him only one third of his marketing skill.

I have been subscribed to his newsletter for ages. He promotes and sells any thing he can get his hand on, or his friends and affiliates want him to promote (if he choses so, of course).

You can see his name appended on many many ebooks, in a form of a positive testimonial. He is master of testimonials, and I wonder how much a testimonial from him costs, well maybe it's just a friendly exchange within the marketers circle, testimonial for testimonial.

Please don't see this as anything against Joe Vitale. I admire him actually. It's just that to me he isn't a person to recommend anything on Huna nor similar fields.

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I'm sorry but Joe Vitale doesn't ad any credibility to me.



Hunamind and Musubi.

the person that began this thread Jeanlucille contacted me via E-Mail saying that she contacted the hospital where he claimed to have worked when this happenedl and reportedly they told her that he was never an employee there; I suggested she contact the hospital again and speak to the volunteer coordinator and ask if he had served as a volunteer ir as a chaplain then.

JeanLucille did not E-Mail me again; so this is all of the information I have at the present moment.

I don;t believe this ever happened.

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Yes, I did have some contact with Hawaii State Hospital in an attempt to gain proof of Joe Vitale's and Dr. Len's story.

Alas, there's more than one branch of Hawaii State Hospital. If I recall correctly, I chose to contact the branch in Kaneohe as a starting point. The person I spoke with in their psychology dept. said that she could find no record of Dr. Hew Len. However, she said that didn't mean he hadn't been there. For example, she wondered whether he'd been there on the level of chaplain. But she asid that if he'd been there as a chaplain, there'd likely be no record of him. Apparently there is quite a flow of chaplain type visits.

Two Bears had suggested that I contact the State of Hawaii for assistance, but when I did that I received zero help. They said they had no idea how I could find out whether Dr. Len had been at any of the Hawaii State Hospitals. And so I gave up playing detective. Of course I'm still very curious to know what, if anything, occurred in relation to Dr. Len and some "criminally insane" patients.

The other day a friend suggested that I contact Joe Vitale and ask him to provide some proof of the mass healing. However, from what I gather about Joe Vitale and Dr. Len, they don't want to spend any time focusing on "negativity." Therefore I think it's highly unlikely they'll give my question the time of day.

But maybe it's worth a shot?

Regards,
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